Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #1750

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Zitat von Indo_HS im Beitrag #1749

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@ Maga

Unabhängig der Person und seiner Parteizugehörigkeit kann es einfach nicht angehen oder darf gar - wie du das machst - i g n o r i e r t werden, dass ein Präsident, erst recht der Präsident einer einflußreichen Weltmacht wie die USA, sich beim Twittern oder bei sonst einer Beschäftigung infantil, narzistisch, paranoid, zu leicht erregbar und alles in allem unzurechnungsfähig, seines Amtes unwürdig und dem Rufe seines Landes betreffend schädlich verhält. Zurecht haben zahlreiche namhafte US-Politker, auch aus der eigenen Partei, US-Experten, Ex-Präsidentenberater und Top-Journalisten das bereits mehrfach kritisiert und auf das schlechte Licht, die solche <<unamerikanische>> Untaten auf das Präsidentenamt werfen, und auf die negativen Zeichen und Botschaften hingeweisen, die ein Präsident damit Gegnern und Verbündeten auf der ganze Welt parmanent signalisiert.

Trumps Twitter-Wahn: <<Jeder andere würde dafür gefeuert>>
http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausla...itter-wahn.html

Nicht umsonst steht es um Trumps Umfragewerte so schlecht, wie nie zuvor.

<<Trump disapproval rating hits new high in daily Gallup poll>>
Gallup's daily tracking poll shows disapproval of Trump's job at 60 percent, a new high.
Democrats and Republicans remain polarized in their view of the president, while independents also approve of Trump's job at a low level.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/13/trump-dis...allup-poll.html


Zu Obama:
Lassen wir doch besser mal alle Fakten sprechen.

<<Obama’s Numbers October 2016 Update>>
Our last update on statistical indicators of the Obama presidency before his successor is elected.

"Since President Barack Obama first took office:
+ The economy has added nearly 10.7 million jobs.
+ Median household income has gone up $1,140, or 2 percent.
+ The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.2 percent.
+ Median sales prices of existing single-family homes are up 23 percent.
+ The unemployment rate has dropped well below the historical norm; job openings are at a 15-year high.
+ Corporate profits and stock prices have both soared to record highs.
+ The number of people lacking health insurance has gone down by 16.5 million.
+ The murder rate is down nearly 5 percent, despite an increase in 2015.
+ The number of unauthorized immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S. is down, according to demographers.
+ Wind and solar power have quadrupled; coal production has dropped 36 percent; carbon emissions have gone down 12 percent.
- However, the poverty rate is still 0.3 percentage points higher, and the number of Americans on food stamps is up nearly 36 percent.
- Federal debt has more than doubled, and annual federal deficits, after shrinking, are again on the rise.
- The home ownership rate has dropped to the lowest point in more than 50 years.
+/- Handgun production has more than doubled. "
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-...er-2016-update/

Man darf gespannt sein wieviel positive Punkte die Trump-Admin während ihrer Amtszeit einheimsen wird können ...
Bisher sieht es nicht einmal nach einem einzigen aus.

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Indo, Trump ist trotz (oder vielleicht wegen?) seiner verbalen Ausfälle ins Amt gewählt worden. Er ist die Inkarnation des Wutbürgers. Seine Wähler unterstützen also diese, von mir aus vulgäre Art. Oder sie ist ihnen egal. Daran wird Trump, ob es uns gefällt oder nicht, nicht gemessen werden. An der Frage, ob er die Wirtschaft ankurbel und Jobs schafft, hingegen schon. Einem vulgären Präsidenten wird der Wähler verzeihen, einem erfolglosen nicht.

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Kein Ende in Sicht:

<<Trump postet Prügelvideo gegen CNN – und legt sofort nach>>
03.07.2017
- Das Video zeigt, wie Trump symbolisch den Fernsehsender CNN zu Boden schlägt.
- Der 28-Sekunden-Clip ist der Ausschnitt eines Auftritts Trumps bei einem Wrestling-Event im Jahr 2007.
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/arti...ofort-nach.html

Zitat von Indo_HS im Beitrag #1751

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #1750

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Zitat von Indo_HS im Beitrag #1749

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@ Maga

Unabhängig der Person und seiner Parteizugehörigkeit kann es einfach nicht angehen oder darf gar - wie du das machst - i g n o r i e r t werden, dass ein Präsident, erst recht der Präsident einer einflußreichen Weltmacht wie die USA, sich beim Twittern oder bei sonst einer Beschäftigung infantil, narzistisch, paranoid, zu leicht erregbar und alles in allem unzurechnungsfähig, seines Amtes unwürdig und dem Rufe seines Landes betreffend schädlich verhält. Zurecht haben zahlreiche namhafte US-Politker, auch aus der eigenen Partei, US-Experten, Ex-Präsidentenberater und Top-Journalisten das bereits mehrfach kritisiert und auf das schlechte Licht, die solche <<unamerikanische>> Untaten auf das Präsidentenamt werfen, und auf die negativen Zeichen und Botschaften hingeweisen, die ein Präsident damit Gegnern und Verbündeten auf der ganze Welt parmanent signalisiert.

Trumps Twitter-Wahn: <<Jeder andere würde dafür gefeuert>>
http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausla...itter-wahn.html

Nicht umsonst steht es um Trumps Umfragewerte so schlecht, wie nie zuvor.

<<Trump disapproval rating hits new high in daily Gallup poll>>
Gallup's daily tracking poll shows disapproval of Trump's job at 60 percent, a new high.
Democrats and Republicans remain polarized in their view of the president, while independents also approve of Trump's job at a low level.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/13/trump-dis...allup-poll.html


Zu Obama:
Lassen wir doch besser mal alle Fakten sprechen.

<<Obama’s Numbers October 2016 Update>>
Our last update on statistical indicators of the Obama presidency before his successor is elected.

"Since President Barack Obama first took office:
+ The economy has added nearly 10.7 million jobs.
+ Median household income has gone up $1,140, or 2 percent.
+ The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.2 percent.
+ Median sales prices of existing single-family homes are up 23 percent.
+ The unemployment rate has dropped well below the historical norm; job openings are at a 15-year high.
+ Corporate profits and stock prices have both soared to record highs.
+ The number of people lacking health insurance has gone down by 16.5 million.
+ The murder rate is down nearly 5 percent, despite an increase in 2015.
+ The number of unauthorized immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S. is down, according to demographers.
+ Wind and solar power have quadrupled; coal production has dropped 36 percent; carbon emissions have gone down 12 percent.
- However, the poverty rate is still 0.3 percentage points higher, and the number of Americans on food stamps is up nearly 36 percent.
- Federal debt has more than doubled, and annual federal deficits, after shrinking, are again on the rise.
- The home ownership rate has dropped to the lowest point in more than 50 years.
+/- Handgun production has more than doubled. "
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-...er-2016-update/

Man darf gespannt sein wieviel positive Punkte die Trump-Admin während ihrer Amtszeit einheimsen wird können ...
Bisher sieht es nicht einmal nach einem einzigen aus.

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Indo, Trump ist trotz (oder vielleicht wegen?) seiner verbalen Ausfälle ins Amt gewählt worden. Er ist die Inkarnation des Wutbürgers. Seine Wähler unterstützen also diese, von mir aus vulgäre Art. Oder sie ist ihnen egal. Daran wird Trump, ob es uns gefällt oder nicht, nicht gemessen werden. An der Frage, ob er die Wirtschaft ankurbel und Jobs schafft, hingegen schon. Einem vulgären Präsidenten wird der Wähler verzeihen, einem erfolglosen nicht.

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Warum urteilst du aus der Sicht einer Minderheit, eines Trump-Wählers - und dann auch noch zum Zeitpunkt der Wahl?!
Trump ist schon bald (am 19. Juli) 200 Tage im Amt und hat sich in dieser Zeit bereits mehrfach selbst disqualifiziert.

Selbst seine Wähler sind von ihm inzwischen sehr enttäuscht, nicht zuletzt wegen seiner Tweet-Wahns, die seine Sprecher ständig in Erklärungsnot geraten lassen ...
Wie gsagt, seine Umfragewerte sind so schlecht wie nie zuvor. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/13/trump-dis...allup-poll.html

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NPR Tweeted The Declaration Of Independence And Some Trump Supporters Were Offended
"Literally no one is going to read 5,000 tweets about this trash."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/...x2b#.apLz5dJamv

Klar doch. Die breite Masse der Trumpsky Gefolgschaft zeichnet sich ja im grossen und ganz dadurch aus, duemmer zu sein als Felsbloecke.

Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1755

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #1753

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...Vielleicht muss Trump nicht einmal Jobs schaffen, vielleicht reicht sogar seine Rhetorik "the forgotten will be forgotten no longer"...

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Das ist möglich. Bei Obama hat ja "yes, we can" auch gereicht, obwohl er nicht konnte.
Und Trump wird die "forgotten" sogar noch mehr vergessen wie Obama.

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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1757

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #1756

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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1755

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #1753

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...Vielleicht muss Trump nicht einmal Jobs schaffen, vielleicht reicht sogar seine Rhetorik "the forgotten will be forgotten no longer"...

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Das ist möglich. Bei Obama hat ja "yes, we can" auch gereicht, obwohl er nicht konnte.
Und Trump wird die "forgotten" sogar noch mehr vergessen wie Obama.

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"als", wo Du doch auf eine gepflegte Sprache so viel wert legst.:)

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Ich stehe zu dem Splitter in meinem Auge...
(Im Kopf war "genau so schnell vergessen wie...", bevor ich es mir anders überlegt habe und das ungepflegte "noch mehr vergessen" hingetippt habe. :-)

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Trump Handed Putin a Stunning Victory
From his speech in Poland to his two-hour summit in Hamburg, the president seemed determined to promote Russia’s dark and illiberal view of the world.

President Donald Trump needed to accomplish two things this week during his visits to Poland and the G-20 Summit in Hamburg. First, he needed to reassure America’s allies that he was committed to collective defense and the core set of values and principles that bind us together. Second, he needed to demonstrate that he understands that the greatest threat to that alliance, those values, and our security is the Kremlin.

Trump delivered neither of these. In very concrete terms, through speech and action, the president signaled a willingness to align the United States with Vladimir Putin’s worldview, and took steps to advance this realignment. He endorsed, nearly in its totality, the narrative the Russian leader has worked so meticulously to construct.

The readout of Trump’s lengthy meeting with Putin included several key points. First, the United States will “move on” from election hacking issues with no accountability or consequences for Russia; in fact, the U.S. will form a “framework” with Russia to cooperate on cybersecurity issues, evaluating weaknesses and assessing potential responses jointly. Second, the two presidents agreed not to meddle in “each other’s” domestic affairs—equating American activities to promote democracy with Russian aggression aimed at undermining it, in an incalculable PR victory for the Kremlin. ...

...Each of these points represents a significant victory for Putin. Each of them will weaken U.S. tools for defending its interests and security from the country that defines itself as America’s “primary adversary.” Trump has ceded the battle space—physical, virtual, moral—to the Kremlin. And the president is going to tell us this is a “win.”
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...-victory-215353

Was ja zu befuerchten war.

A New Warsaw Pact
Trump’s speech in Poland defending “Western civilization” from its enemies sounded less like Reagan’s Cold War–era speeches than white nationalist rhetoric.

Thus far, Donald Trump has governed as a typical Republican president, with the usual suite of tax cuts, deregulation, and conservative nominees for the federal bench. The difference is that unlike his predecessors, Trump isn’t rooted in the tenets of conservativism. Indeed, as a man of id and impulse, it’s hard to say he’s rooted in anything. To the extent that he does have an ideology, it’s a white American chauvinism and its attendant nativism and racism. It was the core of his “birther” crusade against Barack Obama—the claim that for reasons of blood and heritage, Obama couldn’t be legitimate—and the pitch behind his campaign for president. Trump would restore American greatness by erasing the racial legacy of Obama’s presidency: the Hispanic immigration, the Muslim refugees, the black protesters.

This is the reason Trump’s campaign attracted, and his administration employs, men like Jeff Sessions, Stephen Bannon, and Stephen Miller. Sessions, a staunch opponent of federal civil rights enforcement and proponent of radical immigration restriction. Miller, his protégé, whose young career is marked by the same contempt for racial pluralism. Bannon, an entrepreneur with intellectual pretensions whose literary touchstones include virulently racist propaganda, and who brought that sensibility to Breitbart, a news website where “black crime” was a vertical and writers churn out stories on dangerous Muslims. Each shares a vision of a (white) America under siege from Hispanic immigration to the South and Islam to the East. All three are influential in the Trump White House as strategists and propagandists, taking the president’s impulses and molding them into a coherent perspective.....

Defenders of the Warsaw speech call this reading “hysterical,” denying any ties between Trump’s rhetoric in Poland and white nationalism. But to deny this interpretation of the speech, one has to ignore the substance of Trump’s campaign, the beliefs of his key advisers, and the context of Poland itself and its anti-immigrant, ultranationalist leadership. One has to ignore the ties between Bannon, Miller, and actual white nationalists, and disregard the active circulation of those ideas within the administration. ...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...saw_speech.html

Once Dominant, the United States Finds Itself Isolated at G-20
For years the United States was the dominant force and set the agenda at the annual gathering of the leaders of the world’s largest economies.

But on Friday, when President Trump met with other leaders at the Group of 20 conference, he found the United States isolated on everything from trade to climate change, and faced with the prospect of the group’s issuing a statement on Saturday that lays bare how the United States stands alone....

Mr. Trump seemed to relish his isolation. For him, the critical moment of Friday was his long meeting with the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, which seemed to mark the reset in relations that Mr. Trump has been desiring for some time. It also provided Mr. Putin the respect and importance he has long demanded as a global partner to Washington.

Where previous American leaders saw their power as a benevolent force, and were intent on spreading prosperity through open markets and multilateral cooperation, Mr. Trump has portrayed himself as a nationalist, a unilateralist and a protectionist, eager to save American jobs.

What recent events have underscored, though — and especially at the G-20 — is that no nation is today large or powerful enough to impose rules on everyone else. In advancing his views, Mr. Trump has alienated allies and made the United States seem like its own private island.
Nowhere was Mr. Trump’s isolation more evident than on the issue of trade....

But as Mr. Trump contemplates protectionism, Europe and Japan reached a landmark free trade agreement this week. Mexico and China, two of the United States’ largest trading partners, have been mulling their own deal. The world is moving ahead regardless.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/world...de-climate.html

Even Maureen Dowd...

Vlad, the Trump Impaler

...Why doesn’t Trump channel all that bile against the establishment and show us his purported negotiating skills by sitting down and working out an actual deal that could benefit a lot of the people in Trump country who need health care rather than backing the “mean” House and Senate plans that are going to hit rural America particularly hard?

Instead, he is down the rabbit hole with Vladimir Putin. Much of his base does not appreciate it when the American president stands in the Oval Office yucking it up with Russian diplomats, oversharing our secrets and calling the F.B.I. director he just fired “a nut job.”
Even a lot of Trump voters are mystified about why Trump can’t put a lid on his id long enough to acknowledge that Russia besmirched our elections.
“It could very well have been Russia but I think it could well have been other countries, and I won’t be specific but I think a lot of people interfere,” President Trump said in Warsaw. “Nobody really knows.”

In his attenuated first meeting with his side bae, Trump staged a Kabuki show of confronting the former K.G.B. agent.

Their conversation boiled down to this:
Trump: “Did you do it?”
Putin: “Nyet.”
Trump: “Whew! Glad that’s out of the way. So let’s do a joint cybersecurity program and share our passwords.”
Putin: “Da.”

He should have had a showdown to rival the one Adlai Stevenson had at the U.N. with the Soviet ambassador on the Cuban missile crisis. “I am prepared to wait for an answer until hell freezes over,” Stevenson snapped.

Trump should have slapped down the evidence and doled out the punishment. Instead, he and Putin commiserated about bumptious journalists.

“Polonium works well,” Putin was probably saying.
“Spasibo,” Trump probably replied.

In the end, Trump and fellow bumbling neophyte Rex Tillerson opened the portal wider for Putin to sneak through in coming elections.

I don’t know how much information the tyro pol in the Oval has absorbed — or even wants to absorb — in his dumbed-down briefings. But, brainwashed by his father’s exhortation that the world belongs to “killers,” Trump clearly doesn’t recognize the danger before him.
This is a simple fact he might want to let sink in: The Russians do not have our best interests at heart. They are conjuring Trump’s worst “1984” fear: playing him for a sucker.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opini...nnon-taxes.html

Trump Gave Putin Exactly What He Wanted
Mr. Putin has for years — 17 years, to be exact, for this is how long he has been in power — been clear about what he wanted from his relationship with the United States president: He wants to be treated as an equal partner on the world stage and not to be questioned about or pressed on the Russian government’s actions inside Russia or in what he considers his sphere of influence. Despite the friendly tenor of Mr. Putin’s relationship with George W. Bush and the offer of a “reset” made by Barack Obama’s administration, Mr. Putin never achieved his objective — until now. His fourth American president has given him exactly what he wanted: respect, camaraderie and freedom from criticism.

The one accomplishment of the meeting — a limited cease-fire in Syria — is exactly what Mr. Putin wanted. Not the cease-fire, that is: He wanted an acknowledgment that the United States and Russia are equal negotiating parties in the Syrian conflict. He spent years cajoling and then blackmailing the Obama administration into accepting Russia’s decisive role in the Middle East. Now, Mr. Trump has handed him much more than that. He has demonstrated that Russia and the United States can negotiate Syrian life and death without involving any Syrians.

But what was really important was what was apparently missing from the meeting: any criticism of Russia’s war in Ukraine, including its occupation of Crimea, and of the crackdown on political dissent inside Russia itself. ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opini...man-rights.html

Will Congress Hold Russia Accountable for the Behavior Trump Excuses?
With the president letting Putin off the hook for meddling in elections, it's up to the congressional GOP to defend the integrity of American democracy.

It’s no longer Donald Trump in the spotlight. It’s the Republican leaders in Congress. Whether or not Trump colluded with Russia, the challenge to them is: Will they make themselves complicit after the fact? Or will they at last do what the president will not: defend American democracy and hold accountable those who have attacked it? Even to phrase the question is to confront the depressing answer. Congressional Republicans may not condone Trump’s misbehavior. But they are not willing to punish it—or to put at risk their enjoyment of its fruits.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...excuses/533058/

Trump approval rating worldwide plummets. Canada snags Number One spot.
Donald Trump’s approval rating today has plummeted again to 36 percent job approval according to Gallup. But the biggest problem for Donald Trump and the United States is that the Trump approval rating is much lower worldwide.

Newsweek reports on a Pew Research Center poll that has the worldwide Trump approval rating today at 22 percent. But worse, Forbes reports that a survey by the Reputation Institute of almost 40 thousand respondents worldwide has the United States dropping 10 spots in the world to number 38 on a global reputation scale, while Canada snags the number one spot.

The United States is dropping in reputation worldwide for a number of reasons, and Donald Trump is a big cause. Meanwhile, Canada has the “best” reputation worldwide according to the respondents in a Reputation Institute survey.

Compared to President Barack Obama’s 64 percent approval world wide, Trump’s favorability across the world is 42 points less than his predecessor.

Also worth noting is the notion that Russian President Vladimir Putin has a higher rating than Trump’s approval rating today. Putin is viewed with 27 percent favorability on the global scale, five points higher than Trump’s.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel had an approval rating of 42 percent globally, which was comparable to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s.

Only 26 percent of respondents in the G8 countries believe Trump is qualified for the job of President of the United States.

And although Russia appears to be giving Donald Trump’s approval rating a thumbs up on favorability, the Russian spot in the world is also dropping along with the United States reports Forbes. Where the United States ranks as 38 in the world, Russia ranks in the 51 spot.

http://www.inquisitr.com/4340306/trump-a...umber-one-spot/

Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1766

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #1758

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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1757

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #1756

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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1755

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #1753

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...Vielleicht muss Trump nicht einmal Jobs schaffen, vielleicht reicht sogar seine Rhetorik "the forgotten will be forgotten no longer"...

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Das ist möglich. Bei Obama hat ja "yes, we can" auch gereicht, obwohl er nicht konnte.
Und Trump wird die "forgotten" sogar noch mehr vergessen wie Obama.

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"als", wo Du doch auf eine gepflegte Sprache so viel wert legst.:)

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Ich stehe zu dem Splitter in meinem Auge...
(Im Kopf war "genau so schnell vergessen wie...", bevor ich es mir anders überlegt habe und das ungepflegte "noch mehr vergessen" hingetippt habe. :-)

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Das bayrische Abitur kennt keine Steigerung.
qed
:)

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Übereinstimmung. Ich selbst verlasse mich bei dieser Aussage allerdings lieber auf sämtliche bisher durchgeführten Tests und Studien, als auf einen eigenen Flüchtigkeitsfehler. :)

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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1768

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #1767

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...Die "Steigerung mit "wie"" ist i.d.R. keine Flüchtigkeitsfehler. Wie auch das "einzigste" einfach schluderige Sprache ist, "Ruhrpott at its best.". Ich kenne das aus der Nordstadt. :)

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Ich würde es hoffentlich etwas gelassener nehmen, wenn ich in einem Bundesland lebte, dessen Abitur in anderen Bundesländern mangels Qualifikationsnachweis kaum etwas zählt. :-))

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Russland-Affäre - Trump-Sohn hoffte auf Kreml-Infos über Hillary Clinton

Die Russland-Enthüllungen überschlagen sich: Um weiteren Berichten zuvorzukommen, veröffentlichte Donald Trump junior einen Mail-Verkehr - doch der wirft mehr Fragen auf, als dass er den Präsidentensohn entlastet.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/do...-a-1157246.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017...-russian-lawyer

Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1772

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #1770

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...Da Bayern eher kein Abitur machen und den akademischen Nachwuchs einfach an(ab)werben, kann das hiesige Abitur nicht so schlecht nicht sein, wenn es doch für Dein Bergvolk reicht.:)

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Ich dachte nicht, dass der Frust über das immer wieder festgestellte Bildungsgefälle so tief sitzt... :-)

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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1774

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #1773

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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #1772

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #1770

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...Da Bayern eher kein Abitur machen und den akademischen Nachwuchs einfach an(ab)werben, kann das hiesige Abitur nicht so schlecht nicht sein, wenn es doch für Dein Bergvolk reicht.:)

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Ich dachte nicht, dass der Frust über das immer wieder festgestellte Bildungsgefälle so tief sitzt... :-)

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Wieso sollte ich gefrustet sein von Deiner schludrigen Sprache? Einbildung? Du schreibst, wie meine eher bildungsferne Nordstadt redet. Wenn Du Bildungsferne suchst, schau in den Spiegel, Hans. Schludrige Sprache ist Dein Ding, immer wieder. Dabei gibt es Theorien über einen restingierten Code, der ist kein Zeichen von Dummheit, nur von Bildungsferne. Du wirst mit Deiner Überheblichkeit einfach leben müssen. Er komme mir einfach nicht mehr mit dem Bildungsbürger, der er nicht ist, das ist dann peinlich.

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:-)) Ein Satz reicht, und schon macht der Frust sich wieder Luft.

Verständlich. Der Leistungunterschied zwischen NRW und Bayern ist eben allgemein bekannt. Er entspricht in etwa den Leistungen des BVB im Verhältnis zum FCB.
"Aber Klemm gibt zu: „Dort, wo Leistung gemessen wurde, sind die Bayern deutlich besser.“
https://www.derwesten.de/politik/warum-b...-id9220686.html

Und ich sonne mich halt trotz meiner Bildungsferne im kollektiven Überlegenheitsgefühl. :-))

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